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By tickbird, history, 4 weeks ago, In English

Is it even worth attempt? do low-iq people like me get anything from cp?

When I started cp 9 months ago, my expectation was my computational thinking or general critical thinking ability enhance over time, dreaming of becoming candidate master like everyone else.

But that wasn't true! at this point, I start to believe skill-set that demand from cp is something intrinsic property of people (iq) than something trainable.

maybe I should've never started cp

just not for me.

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Nope it's Just problem solving and problem solving can be trained . Just ask one question in these 9 months did u gain any new thinking ?

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    if anyone can be trained then there is no point of competition and everyone should be tourist. in fact even learning speed vary from people. Yes I leaned binary_search

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      "The core directive in ‘Competitive Programming’ is this: “Given well-known Computer Science (CS) problems, solve them as quickly as possible!”." — Competitive Programming 3.

      "The need to solve the problem ‘as quickly as possible’ is where the competitive element lies—speed is a very natural goal in human behavior."

      I'm not very experienced nor good in Competitive Programming, but I've heard a lot of amazing people saying the first sentence.

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      This is the stupidest thing I've heard. Yes anyone can be trained, to be red at least.

      While I do agree that different people have different learning speeds, it does not mean you should stop learning.

      If we went by "if anyone can be trained then there is no point of competition and everyone should be tourist" logic, then there is no point in training for any sport and everyone should just give up.

      "maybe I should've never started cp" Do not doubt yourself, that is a disrespect to your past self. You can either wonder if that was a right decision, or you can make it right.

      A high IQ helps, but only to a point. A talentless dedicated person will always overtake a talented lazy person.

      If you think you need a certain IQ to reach CM than I believe that you can increase your IQ through practice.

      You can become a candidate master or even higher than that, never ever doubt that. Do not blame your IQ, your hardwork will never betray you.

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    Problem solving is one of the least trainable things. The only reason why one can improve at codeforces is because the tricks/techniques repeat themselves so you aren't doing "pure" problem solving. Basically, the more familiar you are with the recurring tricks/techniques, the less reasoning you have to do while solving an unseen problem. This is also how people improve at retardedly-made IQ tests like test.mensa.no: they just practice those sort of problems. It doesn't mean that they've gotten any better at problem solving.

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      Well OP doesn't want (or need) pure problem solving skills. He just wants to be CM. I think you don't need the so-called "pure IQ" skills to improve, many people will agree with me.

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        2 Timothy 4:3-5

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          Off-topic: If you're so keen on speaking the truth, why not publish comments from you real account? How are you afraid to speak the truth from your own identity? It seems rather bizarre that you using god's name in vain.

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            The Bible has a lot of wisdom that doesn't necessarily have to do with religion. There's nothing wrong with sharing some of its wisdom (when appropriate) in a nonreligious context.

            why not publish comments from you real account?

            I like to mix things up on the occasion.

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I may not have the best opinion in this regard as I lack experience, though it does differ a lot than yours.

Sure, there will always be a learning curve whenever pursuing something that requires critical thinking, but that isn't necessarily a concern. The overall amount of tolerance, time, and obsession you stress to yourself will outweigh talent any day of the week. Simply sticking towards CP will at some point show satisfying results-- you just need it to click, which is practically bound to happen if you endure with eager.

It's moments like these that show your potential, whether you are wheat or the chaff in this scenario. It is of course your decision to make, though, if you were to pick another field or hobby, most likely you will have the same thinking or doubts coming up no matter what. Comparing yourself to others or your predicted future-self can have quite big cons, and this may be one of them. As long as you focus on the present-- the next problem to tango with, the next topic to learn, or the next contest to perform in, you will most likely be seeing results that will surprise yourself. Usually people only see great improvement when their completely devoted and already dug there feet into the mud to the point of no return. I'm sure once you reach this point, you'll recognize that taking steps forward is the only thing left to do.

Sorry for stating the obvious, it simply bothers me seeing another person near giving up on a goal. How about we make a bet, let's see who reaches CM first. You already have an head start, as long as you are motivated I'm sure you will be a hard opponent :)

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JUST SOLVE PROBLEMS OF THE CORRECT RATING RANGE

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Hard work always overtakes talent. It took me more than a year to reach an expert for the first time. So don't stop. Maybe your training is not efficient enough, also some people have high rated friends around them that can help them.

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    It took me more than a year to reach an expert for the first time.

    While this might seem motivating to lower-rated users at face value — maybe they can become red like you if they just keep at it — your situation seems to be exceptional. It looks like you went to college in 2016. You were making your way through the pupil-expert range from 2011 — 2013. Assuming you were 18 when you went to college, you must've been 13-15 while you were in the pupil-expert range. IQ increases significantly from age 13 to age 20 so your hard work isn't the only reason why you improved so much from 2011 — 2018.

    Competitive programming, like most sports, probably has a bit of a "native-speaker effect" — those who started younger have more potential. So your situation really isn't comparable to the situations of those who are 18+ and stuck in the newbie-expert range.

    I'd be surprised if there were a red out there who started at age 18+ and who was stuck in the newbie-expert range for over a year.

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      But he doesn't need to become red. Even candidate master is decent enough

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The thing is you’re just rushing yourself check This profile’s graph he literally took more than a year to be a stable specialist and now he is red, just have faith and train efficiently

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    Kids are dumb but they get smarter as they get older. Who would've guessed.

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      So you are saying that in the span of 4.5 years, that guy went from a "dumb kid" to an ultimate-mega-talented-red-user, and became the world's best; because he aged.

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        Let's not get ahead of ourselves: the world's best is more than 1300 points higher than him. Other than that, yes.

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I'm cyan after 3 years man :)

Only thing I can say, when I started I literally had 0 knowledge about anything. I couldn't do simple math ( still struggling ). But things change. Nobody stays same if they work on it.

Do not lose hope. I think you can become >= red in 3 years.

AND DO NOT COMPARE.

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I think the biggest problem for you is that your mentals are getting in the way of progress. This seems evident from your past blogs. In this kind of state it can be hard to learn from problems and motivate yourself to upsolve hard problems besides the possible extrensic reward of a high rank. I have seen some people get into a perpetual cycle of doing contests and not learning anything from them. I have also seen people who have a hard time pushing themselves to solve problems outside of their comfort zone. In both cases, their progress begins to halt.

As for me, there were times where I would spend a whole day, probably 6-8 hours, and end up solving nothing. I felt the difficulty was right because on some days I would solve 1 or if lucky 2 problems. The problems I chose were way above my rating, but the important part is I learned a lot from them.

If you have any personal issues outside of CP, then fix those first.

And as a final note, why are most of your submissions WA? Are you getting frustrated frequently? I know I have a few times and that is what happens.

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This is the 5th post you've made complaining about CP not being for low/normal iq people. Stop trolling.

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Don't get discouraged! CP has a steep learning curve, and it's totally normal to feel frustrated at times. There are fantastic online resources and communities dedicated to CP. Don't hesitate to ask questions, seek help, and connect with other learners.

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Play more Touhou

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Lowkey self-defeatist thinking gang. Plus IQ doesn't really have that much to do with it.

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    Then what else causes some people to stay at at a certain rank ostensibly forever while others zoom past them?

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bro how many more self loathing posts are you going to make? This is not healthy. If it's really affecting you, get help ASAP

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its not about being the best , its about being the best version of yourself.