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random romanian >>> best reasoning model ever
That "best reasoning model ever" (LOL) is already far more intelligent than you and all of the other people who are coping in response to the parent comment, in reasoning and logic in general. Your dull and unremarkable mind, and the dull and unremarkable thoughts it produces make you less worthy of being considered sentient than that very "best reasoning model ever", whose thoughts in basically any field will be more novel and enlightening than yours. If you must cope in public, then do so without pathetically disparaging superior intelligences to yours.
Clearly ChatGPT is not better than any of Liu Hengxi, Woo Mingyu, Fan Sizhe, Rareș-Andrei Neculau or Chen Xinyang in its current state if IOI leaderboard is our source.
I'm sorry that i wrongly classfied the upper 5 man. But it's obviously convinced that Openai will claimed its another success in the nearly future.
You're so obsessed with chatgpt
because chatgpt make me get a lot!
"a lot" like for example 350 rating
Why your first idea about the benefit of openai is to get higher rating? It's worth doubtful that you have ever do this before. Im a moral person that i won't do this thing, but for some people with higher rating, it's hard to say whether they will cheat with openai.
lmao
Btw, ChatGPT can't be in 6th place because the information it used to solve the problem comes from submissions of others present on the internet.
Actually, ChatGPT solved the problems during the actual contest to see how well it would perform without access to other people's solutions
Good
cp is dead
Competitive Programming isn’t defined by some ai model spitting solutions to problems. It’s not about shortcuts, cheats, or farming fake progress. cp is about the community itself, the people who struggle, learn, share, compete, and grow together. As long as there are members pushing themselves, helping others, and loving the challenge, cp will never die.
That "lame-ass bot spitting out solutions" (LOL) is already far more intelligent than you and all of the other people who are coping in response to the parent comment, in reasoning and logic in general. Your dull and unremarkable mind, and the dull and unremarkable thoughts it produces make you less worthy of being considered sentient than that very "lame-ass bot spitting out solutions", whose thoughts in basically any field will be more novel and enlightening than yours. If you must cope in public, then do so without pathetically disparaging superior intelligences to yours.
ok bro
he cooked you
0/10 ragebait clanker
i see what u did there
Too much of a black-pill for CF hive mind.
When the calculator was invented, many thought mathematicians would lose their role. In reality, mathematics only grew stronger.
Many chess engines can beat grandmasters — does that replace the role of chess players? No. In reality, chess players still exist. They actually use them to train and become stronger than previous generations.
After all, who would enjoy a show from a lifeless machine?
absolutely not.
While disappointing, I feel like this was fairly expected, while the 6th place is very interesting, I believe they already got gold at IOI with o3 (though I presume there was some catch that the current situation doesn't have), and after the IMO gold, it would be foolish to assume that IOI would trip them up.
With that being said, this doesn't change anything. o3 already crushes online programming contests, and people will still do competitive programming for their enjoyment, even if AI becomes all-powerful.
I mean that's great but CF as a contest platform cannot survive this. Nobody will take contests where any clown with chatGPT pro ranks above LGM.
My love for gpt grows everyday
We need to be smarter.
Any GPT-5 user will complain about its hidden router and fairly dumb response. It suggests that OpenAI may be unwilling to let his user use their best reasoning model lol.
of course, this is all just for capability showcase, they probably spent 4-5 figures if not 6 to run this test
No way it's that low. It for sure was many millions, wouldn't be surprised by 20'000'000+. I vaguely recall that during some competition (IMO?) they used a model where a query costed them 10k $ in electricity. I hope that I'm remembering this right and not just saying random BS.
WTF 20 million +,its not even sustainable.
Sustainable? IOI doesn't happen every month.
you're right, but I was thinking about the long run.I mean is it really feasible to make this kind of investment for every major contest going forward?
It's easy to understand that once openai make the investment today and claimed their success, tomorrow hundreds of times the investment from the wall street will swarm into their wallet. It's just an simple trick to attract the investor and make them convinced that openai is a Good product.
I don’t think that’s accurate. GPT-5 Thinking is already performing at IGM level without an interpreter when you allow pass@4. It’s around 2300-rated in recent contests if you do pass@1 = first try, no debugging or interpreter , it’s nuts. GPT-5 Pro is a different story, and they’re nowhere near $10k per request.
you might be thinking of ARC-AGI, though that was a bit less then 10k per query: https://arcprize.org/blog/oai-o3-pub-breakthrough
in 5 years, they'll bring the cost down to $10
damn what's wrong with these commas
Pray nobody gets their hands on the actually capable gpt5
rowlet1 orz
maxrgby orz
false
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Pray nobody gets their hands on the more capable Rowlet1
I don't want anyone's hands on me regardless of my capability
at least we still can beat the best reasoning model ever :D
So open ai performed better than rainboy????
after this there would be no more value for compititeve programing skills it is going to destroy CP
Start end game?)
We can think about one thing. If GPT really has the ability to get 6th place in IOI, why don't they send it just after the IOI day 2 ended?
To not to overshadow the participants achievements.
Upd : For those downvoting I was the Moroccan deputy leader for the IOI 2025 this was their argument in the GA meeting fyi.
Don't know why this has -29, the IMO did something similar with the AI companies of which it was partnered, and it's very likely that OpenAI partnered with IOI from what I've heard, which means they probably had to follow their rules.
Because Openai disdains and has no need to do that. Openai can easily get 6th in IOI and soon the 1st. Openai don't need to prove anything, because openai was SO GREAT! The foolish human will never witness how GREAT openai was. Everyone knows how WELL openai acted in our dailys.
You sound like a brainwashed cult member.
Openai can get 6th and soon 1st in IOI, how about the so called deities? Openai is greater than most of the being on earth, our challenge and doubt seemed like a grain of sand face to openai.
In my opinion GPT-5 is kinda overrated.You can easily tell that you’re speaking with an AI. Maybe they enchanced it's coding ability but,other aspects are very poor.
Will this push the boundaries of competitive programming??
Was this validated by any 3rd party? Ideally it would be validated by IOI organizers. I think IMO organizers did not validate their results and in fact they disobeyed their requests of not publishing results on the day of the ceremony.
I put at least 1% chance of this being slightly fraud as the stakes of claiming to have the best AI model are pretty high
GPT regularly gets very high performances in Codeforces rounds, as in users using GPT have got Top 50 in 2 of the last 3 Div1 contests, which is roughly equivalent to like IOI 10th or so. So I think this is very legit considering it is their internal model.
Is there a post talking about it? Was it completely AI or a strong user who cheated using AI?
ckuhn222 the user did not even have enough brain to avoid WA1
WA on pretest 1 does not count to penalty XD
They do use a LOT of compute during the competition. An unreasonable amount. Much more energy than a human brain... Perhaps 100x? So the LLM itself isn't really that intelligent by itself, it's just a more efficient brute-force. Same goes for their IMO results.
They were limited to 1 kW. You can't really compare computers to humans, but purely in terms of energy that's equivalent to burning 850 kcal per hour. More than a human would, but definitely not 100x.
Do you have a source for this? I couldn't find any... If you're talking about their environment in IOI, are you sure they didn't run their model on the cloud?
They used ton of energy on all their past contests not sure why this time that would be any different.
Unfortunately I don't have a public source. I really hope that there will be a press release from the IOI because there is a lot of confusion and uncertainty about the conditions under which the AI companies participated.
As I understand it, IOI negotiated a deal with them.
Interesting. I'd be surprised honestly... GPT-5 on highest setting can't even get bronze on IMO.
were any other companies allowed to test their models in the same way, maybe chinese AI companies?
I believe this only applies to the onsite track. OpenAI seems to have participated in the online one.
If humans had double the time they would perform better, I dont think that is true for GPT. If the contest was competed in teams of 2 or more, humans would also perform better. Not true for the model either. If humans had access to internet and pre written code they would perform better. Not true for the model either.
If humans don't get plugged in, they would perform better. Not true for the model either.
Where is the press release from IOI confirming this, or even mentioning the existence of an AI track? Don't see it on their website, only OpenAI being listed as a sponsor is the only mention.
Edit: From OpenAI:
"For the IOI online AI track, we used an API to access problems and submit solutions without direct supervision from the contest organizers."
This doesn't seem legitimate at all. Why not make an official AI track like they did for IMO, where everyone can participate in a verifiable way? OpenAI is a top-level sponsor and could have organized the system but chose not to. By the way, that type of track existed for the IMO, but none of the big labs that need to claim a gold used it for "reasons". This is a poor and unverifiable result as typical from ClosedAI.
I found the following in the March IC meeting minutes:
"Regarding the AI participation option, we considered different formats and ITC very strongly insisted on the format of such competition being that any interested "AI contestant" should bring their own hardware onsite to the IOI, so that we work on accommodating and isolating them so that they only connect to the Contest Management System network and their hardware directly makes submissions during the contest under the same conditions as contestants. Thus, we started some interesting AI participation rules discussions within ISC during the March meeting and will continue working towards defining such rules in case we have AI participation in IOI 2025, and we are only considering this onsite "bring their own hardware" participation option as advised by ITC."
So unless something changed since March, either they would have brought their own hardware to Bolivia (which would surely imply some kind of supervision from the contest organizers), or it's completely unofficial.
I remember seeing a post from an OpenAI employee that they did go to Bolivia, so I think it's the former.
OpenAI should bring their servers to Bolivia to even out the playing field as OpenAI didn't have to deal with serious altitude issues
If I understood what was said in the GA correctly, they did in fact bring their own hardware.
I wonder if the hardware had altitude issues.
Does it count as cheating if humans were vulnerable to altitude issues and their server was not
LLMs got just good enough to screw people div 2 and below. I believe it performs exceptionally well at IOI because the questions are more standard (correct me if I am wrong, never did IOI, in fact I didn't even code when I was in highschool)
you are wrong , just check this years problems.
The questions were not at all standard
Is codeforces becoming the standard meta then? LOL
Why am I getting so many downvotes? Do people think I meant CSES style problems? Obviously not, I meant ICPC style (which are much more standard than codeforces problems)
well, it seems you did not look at problems before making your judgement.
The problems were overall on the standard side only with the strongest comparisons (i.e. you could say other IOIs or AGCs are less standard).
They were in no way standard in an absolute sense, or with comparison to CF problems (let alone ICPC)
It is a fact that AI has improved a lot, and this is not an unexpected result. Your comment seems like it is trying to cope without looking at any of the facts
The lion does not concern himself with facts before giving an opinion
The lion gets downvoted (though honestly, i would not bother with CF upvotes or downvotes)
I see you are a lion (for not concerning with downvotes/ upvotes)
Div2 bros.. we all wasted time.
div 1 as well if this result is accurate 💀
They probably would never release this model to the public, at least not in the near future. That's about as economically viable as using Bugatti Chirons for taxis.
way worse
Did they use their AHC Model
when this model is out, cp is dead unless find a solution to fight with cheating.
Well, if someone had spent $100 million on my training, I bet I could've placed pretty high at the IOI too. Congrats to the team though, it's an amazing achievement!
Nah man, it was around $100M for GPT-4 which is pretty old model w/o reasoning, for newer models costs are in (tens of) billions for both electricity and hardware.
Well, the previous comment was written by Google Gemini, not me. For me, $100M is just a pocket change
We believe CP never die. I don't belive it because of omnipotence paradox. I think the key reason is that it can have network during the competition and generate long code quickly.
I don't see what the omnipotence paradox has to do with anything.
I believe competitive programming won't die for a much simpler reason — it is ultimately a recreational activity, and we like doing it. Computers beat humans in games like chess and Go years ago, are they dead? We will adapt if necessary, but I see little risk of the sport dying out because of AI.
I doubt so, because some of the value of CP is its contribution to academics (both people and knowledge) when there's a greater thinking machine, may the only thing that is important is its development
why am i getting your account has been blocked as shown in the image  . when im opening my account from other laptops its working fine . only in my laptop its not working . your suggestions would be kindly accepted
I was benching llms inthis platform under the alias nickname ckuhn222
I reached international master with llms but not any llm (o1 then O3 then gpt 5)
The others felt lacking in cp especially grok 4 that spends HOURS in problems then get them wrong (it did some problems well but those were covered by o3)
BUT LLMS ACTUALLY SUCK AT REAL WORLD SWE TASKS LIKE OMG tried all of the ides cursor claude all of them even niche ones
Keep grinding folks you are safe don't listen to those saying cp is dead if so then why chess is still relevant. SWE roles are here to stay