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random romanian >>> best reasoning model ever

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    That "best reasoning model ever" (LOL) is already far more intelligent than you and all of the other people who are coping in response to the parent comment, in reasoning and logic in general. Your dull and unremarkable mind, and the dull and unremarkable thoughts it produces make you less worthy of being considered sentient than that very "best reasoning model ever", whose thoughts in basically any field will be more novel and enlightening than yours. If you must cope in public, then do so without pathetically disparaging superior intelligences to yours.

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    Btw, ChatGPT can't be in 6th place because the information it used to solve the problem comes from submissions of others present on the internet.

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cp is dead

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    Competitive Programming isn’t defined by some ai model spitting solutions to problems. It’s not about shortcuts, cheats, or farming fake progress. cp is about the community itself, the people who struggle, learn, share, compete, and grow together. As long as there are members pushing themselves, helping others, and loving the challenge, cp will never die.

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      That "lame-ass bot spitting out solutions" (LOL) is already far more intelligent than you and all of the other people who are coping in response to the parent comment, in reasoning and logic in general. Your dull and unremarkable mind, and the dull and unremarkable thoughts it produces make you less worthy of being considered sentient than that very "lame-ass bot spitting out solutions", whose thoughts in basically any field will be more novel and enlightening than yours. If you must cope in public, then do so without pathetically disparaging superior intelligences to yours.

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    When the calculator was invented, many thought mathematicians would lose their role. In reality, mathematics only grew stronger.

    Many chess engines can beat grandmasters — does that replace the role of chess players? No. In reality, chess players still exist. They actually use them to train and become stronger than previous generations.

    After all, who would enjoy a show from a lifeless machine?

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    absolutely not.

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While disappointing, I feel like this was fairly expected, while the 6th place is very interesting, I believe they already got gold at IOI with o3 (though I presume there was some catch that the current situation doesn't have), and after the IMO gold, it would be foolish to assume that IOI would trip them up.

With that being said, this doesn't change anything. o3 already crushes online programming contests, and people will still do competitive programming for their enjoyment, even if AI becomes all-powerful.

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My love for gpt grows everyday

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We need to be smarter.

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Any GPT-5 user will complain about its hidden router and fairly dumb response. It suggests that OpenAI may be unwilling to let his user use their best reasoning model lol.

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at least we still can beat the best reasoning model ever :D

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So open ai performed better than rainboy????

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after this there would be no more value for compititeve programing skills it is going to destroy CP

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Start end game?)

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We can think about one thing. If GPT really has the ability to get 6th place in IOI, why don't they send it just after the IOI day 2 ended?

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    To not to overshadow the participants achievements.

    Upd : For those downvoting I was the Moroccan deputy leader for the IOI 2025 this was their argument in the GA meeting fyi.

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      Don't know why this has -29, the IMO did something similar with the AI companies of which it was partnered, and it's very likely that OpenAI partnered with IOI from what I've heard, which means they probably had to follow their rules.

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    Because Openai disdains and has no need to do that. Openai can easily get 6th in IOI and soon the 1st. Openai don't need to prove anything, because openai was SO GREAT! The foolish human will never witness how GREAT openai was. Everyone knows how WELL openai acted in our dailys.

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In my opinion GPT-5 is kinda overrated.You can easily tell that you’re speaking with an AI. Maybe they enchanced it's coding ability but,other aspects are very poor.

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Will this push the boundaries of competitive programming??

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Was this validated by any 3rd party? Ideally it would be validated by IOI organizers. I think IMO organizers did not validate their results and in fact they disobeyed their requests of not publishing results on the day of the ceremony.

I put at least 1% chance of this being slightly fraud as the stakes of claiming to have the best AI model are pretty high

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    GPT regularly gets very high performances in Codeforces rounds, as in users using GPT have got Top 50 in 2 of the last 3 Div1 contests, which is roughly equivalent to like IOI 10th or so. So I think this is very legit considering it is their internal model.

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    They do use a LOT of compute during the competition. An unreasonable amount. Much more energy than a human brain... Perhaps 100x? So the LLM itself isn't really that intelligent by itself, it's just a more efficient brute-force. Same goes for their IMO results.

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      They were limited to 1 kW. You can't really compare computers to humans, but purely in terms of energy that's equivalent to burning 850 kcal per hour. More than a human would, but definitely not 100x.

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        Do you have a source for this? I couldn't find any... If you're talking about their environment in IOI, are you sure they didn't run their model on the cloud?

        They used ton of energy on all their past contests not sure why this time that would be any different.

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          Unfortunately I don't have a public source. I really hope that there will be a press release from the IOI because there is a lot of confusion and uncertainty about the conditions under which the AI companies participated.

          They used ton of energy on all their past contests not sure why this time that would be any different.

          As I understand it, IOI negotiated a deal with them.

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            Interesting. I'd be surprised honestly... GPT-5 on highest setting can't even get bronze on IMO.

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            were any other companies allowed to test their models in the same way, maybe chinese AI companies?

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        I believe this only applies to the onsite track. OpenAI seems to have participated in the online one.

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If humans had double the time they would perform better, I dont think that is true for GPT. If the contest was competed in teams of 2 or more, humans would also perform better. Not true for the model either. If humans had access to internet and pre written code they would perform better. Not true for the model either.

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Where is the press release from IOI confirming this, or even mentioning the existence of an AI track? Don't see it on their website, only OpenAI being listed as a sponsor is the only mention.

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"For the IOI online AI track, we used an API to access problems and submit solutions without direct supervision from the contest organizers."

This doesn't seem legitimate at all. Why not make an official AI track like they did for IMO, where everyone can participate in a verifiable way? OpenAI is a top-level sponsor and could have organized the system but chose not to. By the way, that type of track existed for the IMO, but none of the big labs that need to claim a gold used it for "reasons". This is a poor and unverifiable result as typical from ClosedAI.

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    I found the following in the March IC meeting minutes:

    "Regarding the AI participation option, we considered different formats and ITC very strongly insisted on the format of such competition being that any interested "AI contestant" should bring their own hardware onsite to the IOI, so that we work on accommodating and isolating them so that they only connect to the Contest Management System network and their hardware directly makes submissions during the contest under the same conditions as contestants. Thus, we started some interesting AI participation rules discussions within ISC during the March meeting and will continue working towards defining such rules in case we have AI participation in IOI 2025, and we are only considering this onsite "bring their own hardware" participation option as advised by ITC."

    So unless something changed since March, either they would have brought their own hardware to Bolivia (which would surely imply some kind of supervision from the contest organizers), or it's completely unofficial.

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      I remember seeing a post from an OpenAI employee that they did go to Bolivia, so I think it's the former.

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OpenAI should bring their servers to Bolivia to even out the playing field as OpenAI didn't have to deal with serious altitude issues

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LLMs got just good enough to screw people div 2 and below. I believe it performs exceptionally well at IOI because the questions are more standard (correct me if I am wrong, never did IOI, in fact I didn't even code when I was in highschool)

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    you are wrong , just check this years problems.

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    The questions were not at all standard

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    Why am I getting so many downvotes? Do people think I meant CSES style problems? Obviously not, I meant ICPC style (which are much more standard than codeforces problems)

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      well, it seems you did not look at problems before making your judgement.

      The problems were overall on the standard side only with the strongest comparisons (i.e. you could say other IOIs or AGCs are less standard).

      They were in no way standard in an absolute sense, or with comparison to CF problems (let alone ICPC)

      It is a fact that AI has improved a lot, and this is not an unexpected result. Your comment seems like it is trying to cope without looking at any of the facts

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Div2 bros.. we all wasted time.

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Did they use their AHC Model

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when this model is out, cp is dead unless find a solution to fight with cheating.

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Well, if someone had spent $100 million on my training, I bet I could've placed pretty high at the IOI too. Congrats to the team though, it's an amazing achievement!

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    Nah man, it was around $100M for GPT-4 which is pretty old model w/o reasoning, for newer models costs are in (tens of) billions for both electricity and hardware.

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      Well, the previous comment was written by Google Gemini, not me. For me, $100M is just a pocket change

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We believe CP never die. I don't belive it because of omnipotence paradox. I think the key reason is that it can have network during the competition and generate long code quickly.

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    I don't see what the omnipotence paradox has to do with anything.

    I believe competitive programming won't die for a much simpler reason — it is ultimately a recreational activity, and we like doing it. Computers beat humans in games like chess and Go years ago, are they dead? We will adapt if necessary, but I see little risk of the sport dying out because of AI.

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      I doubt so, because some of the value of CP is its contribution to academics (both people and knowledge) when there's a greater thinking machine, may the only thing that is important is its development

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why am i getting your account has been blocked as shown in the image ![ ](https://ibb.co/2YLTyXTK https://ibb.co/Hpp6X1NK) . when im opening my account from other laptops its working fine . only in my laptop its not working . your suggestions would be kindly accepted

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I was benching llms inthis platform under the alias nickname ckuhn222

I reached international master with llms but not any llm (o1 then O3 then gpt 5)

The others felt lacking in cp especially grok 4 that spends HOURS in problems then get them wrong (it did some problems well but those were covered by o3)

BUT LLMS ACTUALLY SUCK AT REAL WORLD SWE TASKS LIKE OMG tried all of the ides cursor claude all of them even niche ones

Keep grinding folks you are safe don't listen to those saying cp is dead if so then why chess is still relevant. SWE roles are here to stay