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Автор MikeMirzayanov, 2 года назад, По-английски

Hello.

Today I removed the account zh0ukangyang from the rating, after first nullifying its results in the Pinely Round 3 (Div. 1 + Div. 2) and banning it.

I would like to remind you again: Codeforces insists on the policy of using a single account. Creating and using additional accounts violates this rule. In an ideal world, each Codeforces account corresponds to one specific person.

Sometimes additional accounts are created for official, usually collective purposes (writing a post on behalf of a company, etc.). In such cases, these accounts do not participate in rated rounds and we do not pay attention to them unless there is some abuse of Codeforces resources.

Unfortunately, it is difficult for us to enforce this rule in almost all cases. But I urge you to respect the rules. Please remember that by registering for any rated contest, you confirm that you are participating with your only account. If this is not the case, then you are violating the community rules. Do not do this. By breaking the rules, you automatically agree that punishment may be applied to you.

In cases where rule violations significantly affect the ratings of other participants, we may take drastic measures. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.

In this case, zh0ukangyang was at the top of the ratings, occupying high places in the rounds.

What should you do if you already have several accounts and want to stop breaking the rules? You should not write to us with a request to delete accounts or transfer data from one account to another. All you need to do is simply stop participating from all accounts except one. Change the password to a random one and do not log into the account anymore.

For participants at the very top (somewhere in the top 50 of the ratings), we are ready to manually deal with the situation and exclude illegal accounts from the rating.

M.

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I think there was something quite cool about the fact that this guy was so good that he had two accounts in the top 10. I feel he could have been given an exception.

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    I think the fact that he had two accounts in the top 10 is precisely why it was important to punish him. If we allowed all the top users to start competing on many accounts, getting each one to ~3500 rating before making a new one, then the top 10 would have many duplicate accounts and it would no longer be the "top 10", defeating the point of the leaderboard.

    That being said, this applies to the entire scoreboard and not just the top 10, so I would like to see the rule being enforced in more cases if possible.

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      The thing is that it shows how amazing his skills are, we all knew from the start that he has multiple accounts, but no one really addressed it.

      While many people discussed about how a person like zhoukangyang destroys rating of other contestants in the same contest, Mike didn't say a single thing about Goodbye 2023. In my opinion, a bad contest causes much much more damage to both codeforce's reputation and the contestants.

      Solve Goodbye 2023 first.

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        I would suggest you believe the sun rises in the west instead of Mike is going to solve Goodbye 2023

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        Happy New Year to everybody!!!)

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          There have been so many mistakes you probably can't even count them in Goodbye 2023. Here's just a few: 1.Weak pretests in A. 2.Incorrect and self-contradicting usage of "divisor" in the statement of B. 3.Incorrect and self-contradicting usage of "parent" in the statement of E. 4.F has appeared previously. 5.G doesn't have a proven solution. 6.Author's solution of G is incorrectly implemented. 7.H is too easy. 8.H is in OEIS. --copied from other's comment.

          Just turn to that blog and you will find the truth.

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            Weak pretests is never a mistake

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            Weak pretests are your own problem. Pretests are called PRE!tests because they do not guarantee you that your solution is correct. Anyway, It's funny to see complaints about weak pretests in a quite easy problem.

            Also one of your complaints is that Goodbye was a Mathforces round — what's the point of competing in programming if you don't want to go into math? Math and informatics lay close to each other.

            There was indeed a considerable problem with G, but a correct implementation was written after the round and the correct solutions were taken in account during/after the system testing, so it didn't affect the results.

            Googleable H might have been a weak part of this contest, but lets be honest guyz. 95% of the contestants probably won't even read tasks F+ (during the contest).

            So these problems didn't affect the majority of the contestants, and they mirorly affected the minority of contestants (I doubt that many 2000+ guyz google tasks to get free points).

            Goodbye wasn't the best round, but all of you keep forgetting, that when you say "It's bad", you are comparing it with other CF rounds, which are mostly flawless.

            I just think that coordinator of Goodbye doesn't deserve all the hate. He had coordinated contests in the past which were pretty high-quality.

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          I also didn't take the contest so I'm quoting my friend here: A had weak pretests so lots of FSTs, E had 1 second time limit on a heavy implementation seg problem, F and H were both googleable, and for G the model solution was literally incorrect (No solves during the entire contest). It was also major mathforces and the only contest within the past few years where editorial didn't have solution code. 74traktor was coordinator and apparently also ignored tester feedback on the problems

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        4real?)

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can't he do it again?

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Div.1 abuser 😱 impressive

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Probably one of the main reasons people use alts to participate in rated contests is to participate in an unrated manner (in case they can't participate for the entire duration,..). For that, some judges have option for unrated participation. Maybe adding this feature would help deal with this issue.

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damn,i wonder how do catch alt account users

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    maybe check their IP address or code style, I guess

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    Codeforces could add a rule that the first 10 or 15 rounds have a * showing that the account's rating is unreliable.

    Codeforces could also do the same as Kattis where everyone has to use his/her real name. Here, they could enforce a policy where only accounts with real names can participate in rated rounds. (Of course, there still would be nicknames and trolls, but they would risk being deleted as soon as spotted, without a warning. Reminders about that could be given before each contest.) This way people can keep their alts for unrated participation, training or whatever, and only participate in rated rounds under their name. It would also make it harder to sell profiles.

    I'm pretty sure people won't use accounts with other people's names in rated rounds as often as they use alts now. That would solve most of the problem.

    In general, a serious systematic approach to this growing problem is long due.

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I wrote a blog about a possible solution 18 months ago. 130 upvotes, 0 comments.

The solution: Codeforces should implement a feature that lets you create and manage alt accounts through your main account. These alt accounts can gain rating in contests, but cannot influence the rating of other accounts.

Edit (clarification): I am not proposing more alt accounts. I propose a System that knows every alt account on Codeforces. If Codeforces knows all alt Accounts, it can:

  • show leaderboards without alt accounts
  • calculate ratings without alt accounts
  • show rating graphs without alt accounts

Meaning alt accounts don't influence ratings of others, ever. But the System needs to:

  • be easy to use (1 click creation of alt accounts)
  • ensure the alt Account has a (seemingly) normal rating
  • ensure the alt Account sees the leaderboards like a normal user
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I think IZONE is a multiple account of ainta. Please remove the one with lower rating. Thanks.

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I think you can setup an anonymous channel for people to report alt accounts. Usually alt accounts are known by at least a few people closed to that person. For highly rated alt accounts, this method should be quite effective.

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    I don't see a reason for that. It's impossible to stop false accusations and it's very hard to be sure whenever an account is an alt or not. Doing it manually, and only for high rated users, like what just happened seems to be the only way to go.

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I think all the accounts are alt accounts of jiangly. Please remove the ones with lower ratings. Thanks.

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Finally!

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Do you think implementing the option to register unrated would help with this problem?

Some create an alt account to not lose rating on the main account, but I believe some people also do this because they are not feeling very well, didn't sleep a lot, had a stressful day, or something like that, but still wants to participate.

One may argue that they can virtual register later, but I think the point is to participate live. Kinda like people pay to watch a sport live, rather than watching the recording later. Just knowing that there are thousands of people also participating at that moment makes it feels different.

What do you think?

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    It would help a bit but I doubt that that's the reason most people alt. We already have many people alting in div2 from div1 to sandbag on others and unrated participation is already an option for those.

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The main problem is people who participate in one contest using two accouts. they hacked their alt accouts to get extra hacking points. Codeforces needs to find these people and punish them.

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Time to solve the problem Alternative Accounts.

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But he had made lots of effort in this banned account. It's a good start to stop alt accounts, but (that alt accs thing) is really widely spread and in multitude of people (even grandmasters). I hope this punishment gonna be future affecting only.

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I guess we can deal these issues with biometrics

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is it okay if you have more than one account and only participate with one account for each rated contest then? just curious

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You are right, but zhoukangyang will be back on the top.

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Codeforces will be infamous!

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cnnfls_csy and solar_tree are the same person

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I support it.

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I, of course, was shocked. I, of course, thought a person could lost at most some hundreds of rating points in one contest. I am wrong. Here's why.

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Vladimir Vladimirovich Mike.

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I think jiangly is a multiple account of jiangIy. Please remove the one with lower rating.

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That's a good initiative, Mike. Please remove all the double users.

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Why don't you remove these guys too.

https://mirror.codeforces.com/blog/entry/123886

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Now it's all history. Ha-ha!

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Oh no, we can't have another sorry_dreamoon then!

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No comment.

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It is kind of funny how Mike responded to removing an account, rather than responding to Goodbye 2023's errors.

Anyway, what about those accounts that just reck div 2 contests?

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In short, I hope that Codeforces will handle this matter properly, revoke the punishment for Zhou Kangyang's account suspension, handle it gently, and standardize the management regulations.

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    And Zhou Kangyang did not use two accounts in the same game, which has no impact on the rating.

    This is incorrect. The rating system is (approximately) zero-sum; any rating gained must be lost by other competitors. Therefore, in the process of moving from the default 1400 rating to its eventual 3400 rating, the zh0ukangyang account took around 2000 rating from other contestants. In contrast, if he had competed on his orzdevinwang account, a 3400 performance would lead to a near-zero delta and would have basically no effect on others' rating.

    Managers should remind users for the first time, give a second warning and communicate with them, and perform account blocking and other operations for the third time.

    What would be the point? Using multiple accounts is not allowed, so even if the second account was warned and not banned, it'd be a violation of the rules to use it again anyway. No action was taken against the orzdevinwang account (as far as I know), so this contestant still has the ability to compete on his main account assuming he follows the rules of the platform.

    If the management does not properly handle this matter that I believe has been overheated, I and many other athletes (not limited to China) will consider it to be racial discrimination and regional discrimination. This not only undermines the enthusiasm of many players for Codeforces, but may also lead to a shift in opinions and attitudes towards certain countries.

    Recall the following policy stated in the original post:

    For participants at the very top (somewhere in the top 50 of the ratings), we are ready to manually deal with the situation and exclude illegal accounts from the rating.

    If you want to show that this is a discriminatory action, I suggest identifying and reporting any other alt accounts in the top fifty. Otherwise, you have no evidence that the same action would not be applied to a known alt account of another nationality.

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    Are you sure he wasn't warned about it before? gamegame was warned about his alting activities some years ago, that might be the case here.

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Goodbye 2023 and some 74TrAkTor's contests have had a significant negative impact on the community, but you said nothing about it.

Why you ban zky but not 74? What bad things will happen if zky has multi accounts?

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    Why you ban zh0ukangyang but not 74?

    This time, you didn't say You're wrong again, but said nothing! Just keep this round as a usual round and pretend nothing happened? Then act like a dictator to ban zh0ukangyang?

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    (I'm writing this comment with the risk of it being possibly removed, of course – I hope that it actually gets read and taken into consideration.)

    I agree wholeheartedly with this comment.

    Even though I think Traktor doesn't precisely need to be banned (possibly just evaluated more in coordinating, i.e. having another coordinator to cross-check on the problem preparations, etc.), and these two problems are inherently different, I don't see the reason why the Codeforces HQ has taken action on zh0ukangyang's account first.

    It's true that both of these events do need addressing. I'm not saying to simply ignore the alt-account phenomenon. However, even a simple response regarding Goodbye 2023 such as "After an internal discussion, we decide that the round will still be rated" would be better than complete silence and these 1984-esque events. Here's what I think.

    • The top users with alt accounts would simply continue on with doing contests and improving themselves, be it through Codeforces or other online judges, no matter what happens to their alts. It's not like they need to stop doing competitive programming after their alts are removed.

    • The users who don't feel affected by the presence by the alt accounts (for example, those who don't care about rating) simply think of this as a notable moment of the largest rating drop in Codeforces, and continue on with their lives.

    • The users who are affected more by the Goodbye 2023 event than the alt accounts will feel more negatively towards Codeforces, and it just hurts Codeforces' name in general.

    I myself don't really care about rating as much now – recently, I've been more focused on my relative position during rounds among my friends list.

    Again, I do think that the zh0ukangyang event is important. I'm thankful that Codeforces has finally addressed it, and I think it's a good step towards showing the HQ's involvement in the community. Despite that, there are other much more important things to address, such as an official response to the Goodbye 2023 round and the unrated participation system mentioned in this comment. By prioritizing these first, the third bullet point above would certainly be prevented.

    To sum it all up, here's a quote from my friend: "Alts only break rating. Contest disorganization breaks both rating and experience."

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    I agree. Codeforces is first an academic website. And the Goodbye Round was such an important round during one year. We can see a great number of people have taken part in Goodbye 2023 and was strongly disappointed by the quality of the problems(especially Problem H).

    What would you like to say about it? MikeMirzayanov

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zh0ukangyang will be back at the top with a new name! :(

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I mistakenly thought that Codeforces had banned all of Zhou Kangyang's accounts, and now I think there's nothing wrong.

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  1. Rebelz = xtqqwq
  2. gyh20 = menjihuang
  3. fivedemands = gamegame
  4. VivaciousAubergine = heuristica
  5. AoLiGei = Laurie = Mr_Eight
  6. LorentzianExpanders = Elegia
  7. wangziji = A-SOUL_Bella
  8. RanaKaname = dXqwq = _deque_
  9. ExplosiveVegetableClub = cmll02
  10. Kevin114514 = TheLuminousSky
  11. PinkieRabbit = PinkRabbitAFO. (sorry)
  12. Chtholly-Nota-Seniorious = SSerxhs
  13. Sugar_fan = jiangly_fan
  14. crystaldream = tzc_wk = wk_tzc
  15. Aokana = RocketCider
  16. Little09 = Pointy
  17. 5sb = cmk666

Edit: I remove those alts that is inactive for one year, except myself.

Also, there are some account boosting behaviors

  1. WYZFL = disorientation = abandonedw1 = abandonw2 = renascencepjw0510. Booster: LJC00118.
  2. yincheng01. Booster: SSerxhs.
  3. Ariadne.w.. Booster: PinkRabbitAFO. (sorry, I don’t even remember why I would boost others then. Someone reported this to me and I must add it)
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He use multiple account for sure, but you can't annihilate his ratings without any warning and written user agreements, which hasn't been used before and is not decent in any ways. Maybe you'll say he blocks some others from getting top blahblah, but I don't think he's abusing Codeforces rating system, for people all know that zhoukangyang = zh0ukangyang, so people who want an accomplishment can simply ignore his alt-account and calculate. Also, whatever you nullify can't nullify the effort he made; he is a winner forever, as we all know.

UPD: link.

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So if I have multiple accounts, but I won't be using those accounts to participate the contest in the same time, will not break the rules?

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Ban PinkieRabbit and PinkRabbitAFO please. It's obvious that the two accounts belong to and are used by the same person.

Yours, BanPinkieRabbit.

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I think the biggest problem is the problem itself. If the contest like Good Bye 2023 can't stop appearing,then you can't stop users using alternative accounts. Our rating should be shown enough respect instead of a random shuffle,and then we would use a single account fairly. BTW,resorting to nationality prejudice is not a good idea. It will aggravate the problem but not solve it.

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I think you should transfer zh0ukangyang's rating to orzdivenwang through some methods instead of directly removing its rating, which is equivalent to negating his efforts. I think this is a very biased decision, isn't it?

Punishing him without any warning is a very inappropriate decision, don't you think?

And I believe that no matter what you do to orzdevinwang, he will eventually become the number one CodeForces.

Mr. M said that "with great power comes great responsibility". but I don't think orzdivenwang has much "power". He is just a very, very excellent algorithm competition player, why does he have a lot of "power".

I can even think that you are imposing sanctions on China's LGM.

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rather befriend 74TrAkToR than MikeMirzayanov

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I really wish Atcoder can get serious with their website. Dictatorship on codeforces is unreal.

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I have three accounts on codeforces. And I need help getting back my original account.

Firstly, I have single account on HackerEarth ( drexdelta ) , CodeChef ( drexdelta ) , AtCoder ( drexdelta ) , CSAcademy.com ( drexdelta ) , HackerRank ( drexdelta ) , LeetCode ( drexdelta ) ,

Confusion on codeforces with 3 accounts.

Account 1:

drexdelta

This is my original account, but I forgot password and could never login.

Account 2:

After trying hard with different passwords on first account, I gave up and created second account with name "DrexDelta1" ( Last week I changed my name from "DrexDelta1" to drexdelta. )

Account 3:

Later, when login-with-gmail option was added to google, I tried to login on my original account using gmail ( I remembered gmail password, but not codeforces password ) . Instead of loggin-in to previous account( drexdelta ) , it created new account called ( neernpatel ) .

Can someone from moderators help me move all my contest data to one single account with name drexdelta and link it to preferable gmail.

Creating all these 3 accounts was totally unintentional, I just forgot password and logged in with gmail caused all these three issues.

Please upvote this comment to gain attentions from mods. Thank you in advance.

cc : MikeMirzayanov

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What was his/her main account btw?

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yeah,yeah,you are right,Mr. M. But do you play Genshin? it is useful for such people.

lol

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I simply don't understand why Codeforces punished a famous and beloved person. It seems most of us don't think that having multiple zky's accounts on the rating leaderboard is a severe problem.

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though it's written in the rules that multi accounting is not permitted, zky did not do it in contest, therefore i don't think his results for pinely round 3 should be invalidated

i would even argue that there's so many top accounts multi accounting that i don't even know why you're going after him only

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Welcome step. Many high rated players make new accounts and then destroy the ratings of lower div contests. Hope this is not a one time exercise and many other alt accounts are banned.

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delete every account that has higher rating then mine.

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How could you prove that zh0ukangyang is really the same person as orzdevinwang? Maybe he/she's just someone who admires Zhou Kangyang and imitates him.

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Mr Mike, more than zhoukangyang, you should remember that with great power comes great responsibility.

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This response is quite normal when zh0ukangyang in top 10

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@MikeMirzayanov Don’t think that because you are an administrator, you can slander people, and don’t think that you can’t do it so you can slander others. You have no evidence! ! ! You don't even have a rule that one person can only have one account. Codeforces means that the administrator has the highest power. If you think zh0ukangyang is weak, you can deduct points from him, or even ban his account. However, the eyes of the masses are sharp! ! ! !

If you ban him, you will let all codeforces users around the world know that Codeforces administrators are corrupt! ! !

Codeforces will be infamous! ! ! ! !

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Codeforces Community is racist towards china why not ban indian cheaters account which spoils codeforces band indian cheaters first not targeting whole india only some loser cheaters !

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A thing that everyone might forgot.

Uhh,theoretically speaking,codeforces don't really have a ToS(aka Terms of Service),the rule itself is from A common FAQ (codeforces.com/help),which,shouldn't really be equal to a ToS.

What is ToS?Simply speaking,it is something that we click the "I agree" button and get registered,or you can't get access to this website.What is a FAQ then?Well,if you have problems,check your FAQ.Otherwise you can ignore these.

Try to manage your rules that everyone should obey first,instead of doing a page that is optional to be read.

also shouldn't you have explanations on goodbye 2023 first? the announcement is reaching -4400,seriously?

not going to leave further comment on this post/event.

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Maybe there should be some way to prevent this in the future. For instance, using phone number to register new account. I think it is a good choice since no one could try to use or even buy multiple phone numbers just for flexing in ranking (it's nonsense).

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Actually, everyone in the comment section is on jiangly 's alternative account. If you don't believe it, I can change my account and make the same comments.

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Mapakaka = hhhgjyismine = Dog_King, and hhhgjyismine has just participated in the last rounds.

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Does that mean there will be a change to the rating changes for praticipants of the last round?

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yyyyxh = yyyyxh329

ban yyyyxh329, please.

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MikeMirzayanov = 74TrAkToR, please remove the one with lower rating. Thanks.

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MikeMirzayanov How do I delete an alt account?

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    You can't, and you don't need to.

    What should you do if you already have several accounts and want to stop breaking the rules? You should not write to us with a request to delete accounts or transfer data from one account to another. All you need to do is simply stop participating from all accounts except one. Change the password to a random one and do not log into the account anymore.

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You'd have to ban a good half of all codeforces accounts if you are serious about enforcing this rule. And if you are not serious about it, then it is more of a witchhunt/clown emoji type of thing.

I mean, sometimes you don't want to write a contest seriously (whatever that means), in this case writing it from an alt seems ok to me (as long as you don't jump to your main one in the middle if you realize that problems are a great fit for your skillset / that today you are a genius).

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I think Mike should punish 74TrAkToR rather than zh0ukangyang , a beloved people .

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The question is off topic: Does anyone know what's wrong with the nickname colors?

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You are right.But what about goodbye 2023?

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Жаль, что этот пост мало кого остановит

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74TrAkToR = 47TrAkToR,please remove the one with lower contribution.Thanks.

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MikeMirzayanov is this a new feature on codeforces?

PS
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Bro, It's too hard for a person to compete by himself and reach LGM.

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those people using their alt-account giving this blog a down vote :

meme
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Why are there so many Chinese ranting under this blog? Is it because that virtually every Chinese has multiple accounts on CF and some think that it is OK to use alts because everyone they know is doing so, regardless of the rules?

Please, saying stuff like "Mike is off his rockers to punish Zhou for breaking rules", especially in a harsh or sarcastic manner, just makes us Chinese users look like a gang of wild kids regarding Zhou as some sort of leader. It ruins the general picture. Do not do this.

I understand that some may want a result for all the issues of Goodbye 2023 (and I am waiting for it as well), but it is obviously not a valid argument to be used here against the punishment of a rulebreaker.

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can't understand it. that's ridiculous.

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Mentioning YOU KNOW WHICH Chinese foundation's banning few students WITH HIGH SCORE IN AN IMPORTANT CONTEST for one year to punish their using inappropriate words in their code, it seems a normal and easy idea to punish only top participants, especially on sth hard to control. Anyway, Peace is of ultimate importance, not quarreling.

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I think one of the main reason is that the account names.You can immediately recognize that they belong to the same person.

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some of them intentionally uses alt account to make successful hacks. If possible, add a feature to report "intentional hacking"

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alt accounts are for pussies

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I hate cheater very much, especially those who gain a lot through cheat.

So... Such a nice head quarter. Thank you Mike.

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Thank you for upholding fairness on Codeforces. Clear rules ensure a level playing field. Encouraging users to abide by one account fosters integrity. Consistent enforcement safeguards the community's integrity. I appreciate the proactive stance against violations, maintaining the platform's integrity and competitiveness.

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Happy New Year to everybody!!!)

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Anyway, I think you should first address the quality issues of competitions like Goodbye 2023

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There's a Spider Man reference here)

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Dear MikeMirzayanov,

In my opinion, the removal of the account zh0ukangyang from the rating highlights the significance of upholding the single account policy, a fundamental principle of Codeforces.

However, I've found that MikeMirzayanov didn't say anything (maybe little) about the contest "Goodbye 2023". I've noticed concerns within the blogs regarding the quality of Goodbye 2023 & rounds coordinated by 74TrAkToR. While I haven't personally participated, it's evident that the users cares deeply about maintaining the quality & equity of competitions (because there are problems publicly created before the contest). I hope for MikeMirzayanov to solve problems about Goodbye 2023 first rather than ban zh0ukangyang.

I trust that the Codeforces team will carefully assess community feedback and take appropriate actions to address any concerns related to round coordination. Your commitment to transparency and responsiveness is crucial for maintaining the trust and credibility of the platform.

Thank you for providing a platform for competitive programming.

Sincerely, a Codeforces user.

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[user:Daniel_lele]=[user:sszcdjr]

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reowong = phir.

Spoiler
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Create multiple accounts is totally a waste of resource,but many people like doing,me included.Is it just for fun?